tobybenedetto (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I am lying.

tobybenedetto (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I am lying.

tobybenedetto (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I think the subject demands a more thorough and detailed interpretation that is discursive rather than being so cheaply reductionist.

riovuaeb (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I am in total agreement as well. However, a central problem of Debord - and post-marxist theory in general - is that he presupposes that there will be an authentic proletariat "call to action" once the blindfold has been lifted. Maybe the spectacle is all there is, and despite its turning falsity into truth, there lies nothing behind it. It's a little naive, i think, to assume an 'authentic' truth underlying the spectacle itself.

jaironia (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Absolutely agree with you. Debord's arguments are more than valid today than ever before. A single example of that: Reality shows.

tobybenedetto (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

The waning of the United States as the world's only superpower and the shift in economic power from west to east is forcing people to sit up and take notice, forcing us from our drug and television induced sleep. This is compounded by local economic problems forcing the individual to administer closer control over the minutae of their lives. On top of this we are being forced into action as a species to defend ourselves from the effects of climate change. Our time is now.

ariekanibalie (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Really? (no pun intended). Why do you say that? Seems to me like Debord's notion of social relations being mediated by images is more true now, in the myspace/facebook era, than ever before. One could argue Debord has become irrelevant, because the spectacle (or what Baudrillard terms the 3rd order of simulacra, simulations etc.) has all but outrun the social real. Today's general passivity is unsurpassed, and I don't see it changing unless somewhow all control systems suddenly self-destruct.

palestine0anarchy (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

after 5:50 it becomes really interesting...

skonerr (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I m not sure. Debord are less stupid. But "dans le monde réellement renversé, le vrai est un moment du faux".

draikentz (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

This is garbage, dribble. Its a jumbled up unintelligible mess, a confused copy of ideas taken directly from the already confusing and absurd Hegel.The spectacle social is the spectacle, which is a substantial manifestation of its will to confusion.